Illegal Aliens, Muslims, and the P.C. Police Who Love Them
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When will we learn?
It seems rather fitting to me that we're all astir talking about political correctness again with the passing of the Arizona immigration law which everyone thinks will lead to racial profiling. A term I very much dislike by the way. I say it's fitting because we've also, once again, had a near miss with the recent bombing attempt in New York.
By the way, might I add; to President Obama, his wonderful administration, and to Janet Napolitano, you guys are doing a fine job keeping us safe.
IS IT REALLY about racial profiling?
I said I didn't like the term racial profiling. And I don't. Here are a couple of things we know:
- The vast majority of all illegal immigrants come from Mexico
- The vast majority of all terrorists are of Middle Eastern descent
So is it really about race? Even if it is to some extent about race? Criminal profiling, a term I think is many times better suited to the facts, inevitably will wind up with a race component. But, we're not talking about singling anyone out simply because of their race with the intent to make their lives miserable. That might qualify as real racialprofiling. What we are talking about is a matter of common sense. It's a matter of simply calling out crime and knowing who the criminals are most likely to be. In the end it is simply about identifying the obvious.
A moose is a deer but a deer is not a moose
A white tailed deer and a moose are both in the deer family. But a white tailed deer and a moose have different attributes. A white tailed deer is obviously not a moose. If I'm a hunter hunting for white tailed deer and a moose comes into my line of sight, do I fire anyway? We'll just knock everything down that moves and we'll sort it all out later.
Please don't draw the conclusion that I am referring to anyone as mere animals, and perhaps this may well be a bad analogy. But we're all in the human family right? And we all have certain attributes between us that set us apart. Whether it be the color of our skin, the way our eyes are shaped, or other various features.
My analogy speaks to the fact that we know mostly that Grandma will not carry a bomb with her onto a plane and a Middle Eastern man probably won't either—but he's got far more probability of having one than Grandma does. Arrest a Mexican-American and a caucasion American and I bet it won't take a rocket scientist being called in to identify the Mexican-American and make the determination that he may have a higher probability of being illegal.
These are simply facts. In this argument we have to deal in facts. Racial profiling is nothing more than a fancy term the P.C. police like to use to stir the pot, cripple the cops, and give criminals free reign to terrorize, pilfer, and do whatever might be on their nasty little lists.
Profiling criminals, the race component, and killing while white
I've said it before that there are enough statistics in our various data bases that tell us a lot about who we are, what we do, and what we're likely to do—some of that is in fact, based on race. White people are no more exempt from the race component of criminal profiling than anyone else is. There are crimes more likely to be committed by white people than other races. You can cite numerous examples of this; white collar crime for example is predominently conducted by white people.
Consider that in the criminal profiling of serial killers, most of the offenders, according to the statistics have been white males, 27-28 years old. In a study by criminologists James A. Fox and Jack Levin conducted in 2001, they determined that 90% of their sample were all male, and of those male killers, 74% were white, 22% were black, and the remainder were of different ethnic groups.
To conclude that white men are more likely to be serial killers is no more racial profiling than concluding that a terrorist is likely to come from the Middle East, or that a person who is a Mexican is more likely to be here illegally.
That said, in light of the Arizona immigration law, may I just leave the reminder again that not a single person is saying that anyone is going to pull José away from the Nacho Stand and force him to produce papers to prove he's got a right to be in America. As for Muslims in our nation's airports being pulled aside, that's entirely another matter. Read my "PROFILE OF A PATRIOT" hub for a full understanding of my opinion that it is the patriotic duty of Muslim Americans to stand aside for the safety of their country and fellow Americans.
I'm tired of political correctness
I'm tired of it. It's old already. It's worn out and tired. Oh sure, I understand the intentions of the P.C. police. Everyone has rights. I get that. Everyone has the freedom to pursue what they want. I get that too. But what it has turned into is something of a I'm gonna do what I want and your just gonna have to accept it.
We are still a democracy—okay, a democratic republic. We should have the right to say to some things, this isn't right. Like in the case of illegals entering the country and getting away with it. Like in the case of identifying that Muslims are more likely to commit terror acts. We should have the right to say, yes, it may inconvenience some people, but this is not racial profiling, it's not an attempt to offend someone or to infringe on someone's rights, it is to protect our country, our way of life, the safety and pursuit of happiness of all Americans, born here or immigrated here legally. There is too much at stake here to be bickering over such nonsense.
I'm not going to say that I cannot appreciate that it would be uncomfortable to have the sense that I was being singled out simply because I happen to look a certain way, or talk a certain way. I can understand how that may make me feel, on the surface, less American. Less able to come and go just as every other American can.
But as I stated about the patriotic duty of the Muslim people who immigrate here, all Americans sometimes have to make great sacrifices to ensure the freedom and rights of every American can sustain. People have died for this country.
In conclusion
Stand aside and be counted, and be happy about it—Mexican, Muslim, or the white guy who gets pulled out on suspicion of a crime. Stand aside and be counted. The very life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not just dependent on our right to have those freedoms, but dependent as well on being protected from those who wish to dismantle it all.
In the end, if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
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There are blond Mexicans, too, so it's not all about what someone looks like. But I'd like to know when Spanish-speaking became a race. Are French-speaking Canadian immigrants a race? Are the Irish a race? And what if the police in Arizona stop a man for speeding and it turns out he's here illegally from Russia? Will he be let go? Of course not, an illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, no matter where he/she came from.
POP, exactly right. As much as we would all prefer there were NOT a racial component in our society, when we live in a country that is quite literally a melting pot, there are going to be elements of race in indentifying people. You just cannot get away from that.
Sheila, good point on the race issue. Here again though it just so happens to be what the P.C. police like to use to describe what they see as unfair criminal profiling. Breaking the law is breaking the law, period. No matter who you are, where you came from, or what color you are.
Kudos to you for a wonderful hub .. We in India can understand this because we have so much illegal infiltration problem with hordes of people coming from Bangladesh!!
There is immigration law in every country and if someone follows the rule and is granted citizenship, I dont have any problem .. but this illegal thing got to stop everywhere!! Cheers!!
I couldn't agree with your point of view any more that I do now. If it walks like a duck and quacks it's a duck!!!!
I don't care where a person worships or if they're athiests. If they try to blow up American cities they're terrorists and put them in the slammer immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that most Americans that are intellectually engaged with our constitutional Bill of Rights, our system of laws, and our cultural values, would agree with everything you have commented on in this informative and well-written Hub...Political correctness is killing England and turning a once proud nation into a land of equivocation, delayed justice, and accommodation...
I'm reading about a high school in Los Angeles that has sent students home because they were wearing American flag tee shirts which might cause problems for Hispanic students celebrating Cinco de Mayo..! Someone should slap the snot out of which ever administrator issued that insulting order...
Thanks for sharing your cogent thoughts on this insidious culture creep that so many fools buy into out of fear ...Larry
Dreamreachout, and it's also important to note that ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING ABROAD also must carry papers to prove who they are. In England, for example, I look like a lot of other English folks (even if I'm more German than English). My lack of an English accent may be a tip-off I'm not from their part of the world. Maybe someone will ask me about it. Maybe not. Most likely I'd be asked for my papers if I were arrested for a crime, however. Even if that were NOT the case, does not the country of Great Britain have the right to ask me who I am and what I am doing in their country? And if I were a Brit, wouldn't I WANT my country to make sure people that were not supposed to be in the country were called out?
Like you said. We all have rules. We all have laws. And when we allow a certain segment in a population to break the laws, it IMO affects the right of the law abiding citizens.
Thanks for stopping in. Great to hear from you. :)
Tom, my sentiments exactly. BTW, thanks for adding to my animal analogy. lol Would it be too much to quip "Washington DC quacks wish to allow illegals to duck the law..."??? (place drum roll and symbol clash here). Ahem. :)
Maven, when wearing or displaying the American flag becomes politically incorrect in this country, if that were to become widespread, I would leave at once. I'd defect. At that point it would be clear to me that America had become a corpse.
By that time, though, I'm sure I would have at least been part of the coup that no doubt would have been formed and fought hard against the killers of America.
Springboard,
What can I say besides you are completely correct. You know how the left just HATES those damn facts that are so inconvenient!
When is it a crime to enforce our laws?
Everyone is worried about profiling. I think these guys are smart enough to know they will get their socks sued off from them if they do profile, so I think they are setting up good standards to prevent this.
It is funny because the left thinks the right is constantly jumping to conclusions on everything, when it is the left that is now jumping to conclusion. The shoes on the other foot!
Keep on hubbing!
Springboard, This is an excellent hub about profiling. I agree with you completely. It is ridiculous to think you can enforce the law without some degree of profiling. I am also sick of political correctness. How many bombs does it take for us to say Terrorist?
Thank you for an excellent hub and I agree with you that at the moment so many things got out of hand. Everywhere you have to have Law and Order and that is it. No argument about it. I don't care if that person comes from the moon, that person has to live by Law and Order and if it didn't down it goes. Finish.
Sheri...facts? The left doesn't know what those are.
Eovery, that's one big part of this whole Arizona thing that just really gets under my skin. We're only saying we are actually going to enforce laws that are already on the books. It just makes anyone who opposes this look ridiculous. Laws? We don't no stinkin' laws.
Pamela, exactly. Being naive and touchy-feely will get us killed. Profiling has always been and will always be an aspect in ANY investigatory matter (is that even a word?)
BTW, might I also add that profiling affects us ALL even outside of the law. I was thinking recently about statistics that lead us to believe that young adults between the ages of 16-25 cause more accidents and are more likely to drive recklessly. That's basically profiling. We ALL have to pay the extra insurance at those ages, EVEN IF we are stellar drivers.
Maybe it's a dumb comparison...but I just thought I'd pass it on anyway.
Hello Hello, absolutely correct.
If they don't the law, it means open boarders.
Keep on hubbing!
Charles Krauthammer the other day had a very good idea that I think would work. He said, basically, that we need to first get the fences up. Get the effectiveness numbers to 95%. Once you've got that number and you've proven to have DRAMATICALLY reduced the number of illegals coming in, NOW offer a path to citizenship to those who are already here. But if you do it BEFORE you've effectively sealed the borders, you only create an incentive for them to come here illegally. I definitely could support the Krauthammer proposal, especially considering the logistical nightmare deporting 10-15 million illegals would be.
Springboard, this sure is a big problem the illegal,we face in India too.I think we have over 100 million illegal people living here,as far as papers are concerned they are dime a dozen,and you know that.This is the same every where,isn't it?
100 million? It pales us in comparison if the number is true. Wow.
Thanks for sharing.
yeah no one would accept but thats right, the number,thats almost 7-8% of our population,they are scattered all over the places, and they are increasing it by all means,all methods possible,and the same old story our politicians are fighting for their votes.Thats the only fight and aim left for them to be 'owner'of the vote bank,in place of driving them away back to their places so we can utilize our limited resources in a better way.
That becomes part of the problem. When you have such large and increasing numbers of any group in a population, politicians are going to want to speak to that group to get their votes, and it then makes it harder to pass laws, and in our case enforce PASSED laws without creating a political quagmire.
Well in statistics we have probability, probability of comminiting terrosristic acts and Muslims have high probability of commiting it, it is history with facts and it is not profiling, just statistics and proven by record.
very nice Springboard, Take care, maita
You made the point in your HUB that most terrorists are of middle-eastern decent, I don't know if this is true or not but it is a dangerously ignorant perception of Islamic extremism, simply because at best it's a half truth. You may have already herd of Jamie-Paulin Ramirez, aka Jihad Jaime, a 31 year old white American who was arrested in Ireland for plotting the murder of a Danish cartoonist. In October another white American woman, Colleen LaRose, this time dubbed Jihad Jane was also arrested for plotting the murder of Swedish cartoonist and of course we all know about failed Christmas bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a black man from Nigeria. If those examples weren't enough one of the world's most dangerous Islamic fundamentalist groups resides not in the middle east or Africa but Malaysia. Put quite simply racial profiling, despite its occasional benefits or logic is an insufficient tool in combating Islamic radicalism
having been born and raised in Texas. and having spent alot of time on both sides of the border. im all for this law. if you want to live here .. do it legally and speak the language. America is the only country in the world that doesnt force people to speak the the countrys language.
how about these little factiods..
"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican immigrants are an important-a very important-part of it." -July, 23, 1997, Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo.
58% of Mexicans agreed with the statement "The territory of the United States southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." -Zogby International poll held in 2002.
"I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think 'Mexico first.'" - Juan Hernandez, Hispanic outreach director for Vicente Fox, President of Mexico
illegal Aliens have placed a burden of well over 180 billion dollars a year on Medical services in the souther US. Crime is rampant every where they settle. oh yes . call me a Racist, I dont care. its a word that has lost its meaning.
Profiling. wow 50% of all ILLEGAL immigrants are Mexican while an additional 24% were from other Latin American countries. by 2050, Hispanics will be between 29 and 32% of the entire population of the United States!!!
Pew hispanic research center.
And this:
9 percent of the Mexican population live in the US _ pew hispanic research center.
the largest Mexican population outside Mexico city resides in Los angeles.
nothing in our constitution says.. give us your tired poor huddled illegal masses.. nor does it really say we have to allow any one into the country that isnt born here.. its a privilige to become an American citizen. not a right.
when a gang of blue haired old white ladies are doing drive by spankings in a convertible or setting off bombs at nursing homes. Ill say Profile em.
todays world.. its not a half truth or perception.. half or more terrorists are of Middle eastern Extraction.. those who arent are sixty percent likely to be of the Islamic religion. so no matter how you parse it.. We need to be on the look out for Islamic Followers. which are mostly of Middle eastern heritage.
its not pretty but thats the way it works. instead of us being at each others throats. the Muslim community needs to work with us on ferreting out Extremists. and put an end to this now. before it truly gets out of hand.
I also have no problem with Profiling idiot wanna be redneck extremists who think god told them to build a bomb to take out a day care or mosque.
we have to be on the look out for something other wise law enforcement will be looking for.. " Be on the look out for two people" becuase to say they are white, brown, tall, short, fat, skinny or dressed crappy might be insulting and profiling.
If I sound pissed off.. sorry didnt mean it that way. not sure how to tone it down LOL.
Maita, absolutely true. Thanks for stopping by.
Elliotm, I would say that your assessment would be true if profiling was the ONLY tool. It is simply in addition to other investigative tools we have at our disposal. The result is in the sum of the parts, not in one piece, but ALL the pieces have to be there, and profiling happens to simply be one of them.
Outdoorsguy, you don't sound pissed off at all. You simply cite facts that a lot of Americans unfortunately fail to see. There are a LOT of people who simply live in la-la land, and those are the ones who we have to be very concerned about. They are the folks who don't encounter the other side of this coin. They are the folks who live in communities where Mexicans are conversation, not neighbors. They are removed from reality. And again it's important to note; none of us here seem to be saying anything AGAINST immigration. I think all of us here can agree immigration is good. Is valuable. Is productive. It is the ILLEGAL immigration that is a problem, and the lack of any REAL effort to crack down on it. If there is no crack down, then it doesn't matter what the law is people are going to come right on into the country without a fear in the world. THAT'S what we have to stop.
There is always "profiling" of some sort. Our society and any other that will not embrace the Golden Rule for it's businesses, government, and every aspect of life is uncivilized. I've been "profiled" myself. I don't care for it. I don't care to be falsely imprisoned again either. BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY DOES ANYTIME IT WANTS TO. People run it. There are small counties with small minds and you may as well get related. Going to court? TAKE MONEY WITH YOU! This America that I've heard so much about for all of my 60 years - where the hell is it? I can prove this country is false by looking at my own life. I'm ex Marine. I went to the Southeast Asia war games back in the 60s. You won't sell this false America to me. It never existed. Never. Thanks! Lovely hub!
I am sorry to hear of your bad experiences. Certainly life's experiences are what shapes one's thoughts on any subject...in this case the subject of America apparently. The world is also what we make of the world. We all play a part in its greatness, and we also all play a role in its destruction.
As for profiling? It is the sensible thing to do. It saves lives. Additionally there is absolutely no question that in all things in this world, patterns emerge—and those patterns help us to see what's potentially coming. If we ignore them in the interest of not inconveniencing anyone, we will all wind up dead and it won't matter what you look like, or what religion you are, or how offended you are. Dead bodies all look the same to me.
Hi! Springboard
I agree with your basic theme "I am tired of political correctness". Main reason we are tired is that people who have big public exposure (politicians, journalists, news anchors, columnists in big news papers etc.) and who pose to be "politically correct" are not very honest. In the name of "political correctness" they often defend criminal attitudes. For example when a politician says "not all Muslims are terrorists", most likely he has votes of Msulim voters in his constituency in mind. The statement he/she makes is of course true and practically nobody will disagree with it, but what is left unsaid is what he/she has in mind about votes and that among terrorist today most are indeed Muslims. In India terms "votebank politics" or "pseudo secularism" are used for this kind of attitude. The main problem, people are tired is not about just being politically correct, it is this dishonest attidue of posing with some other motive.
On the other hand it is quite possible that too much of this racial profiling type of attitude is going to affect one of the fundamental pillar of democratic set up "A person is considered innocent until he is found guilty."
Time being courts leave a person even if there is slightest doubt about his guilt (and is it not quite right?)
Don't you feel (even example of Micky Dee indicates that ) that Arizona law may affect adversely American citizens much more than illegal immigrants.
To give even temporary formal right of one or two days to a police cop to decide innocence can have some quite unsettling consequences. Main problem with the law is not that it is about illegal immigrants, it is that it gives right to decide about innocence at least temporarily to a police cop. Such changes may look minor but can have far reaching consequences - McCarthy era was, when things were controlled by a few Senators who may have at least some training in Law. At that time it resulted in ruining lives of many (for example Scientists who were involved in making first atom bombs for USA). Now the rights are being given to Police cop who does not have even such training?
I agree with you that for example Muslims should themseleves offer to be examined. Such unwritten format may be much better way to deal rather than formal right being given. But then unwritten formats are not perhaps enough? Answers are not so easy. Which freedom you prefer to loose and who decides innocence.
Finally main problem is that all these issues have been coming up mainly because in certain countries army top and feudal lords who are ruling (Pakistan Saudi Arabia etc.) are using raising religious sentiments (like Muslims ), anti-Amricanism etc. to make their rule stronger and to play in some power game in whole world. Is it not true that most of Muslim oriented terrorism is still being influenced, supported or controlled by these rulers and they are reluctant to give it up because they consider this as their strategic assets.
But USA administration is even reluctant to recognize this problem. Supporting these rulers seems to be considered in strategic interest of USA. It is actually financing them and providing arms to them. How far one can justify curtailing freedom within USA of American citizens, without any visible action on this basic problem.
But we're already adversely affected. All of us. And by many things. Americans are adversely affected by the extra taxes we have to pay for policing and for border patrol. We are adversely affected in our safety when illegal immigrants commit crimes against us. We are adversely affected by Muslim terrorists who force us now to have to go to the airport two and three hours early to be frisked, remove articles of clothing, stand in long security lines...
We ARE ALREADY adversely affected.
Now what we have to do is simply stand together as Americans and hold those who cause our lives to be affected accountable.
So much ignorance, no the majority of terrorists are not middle eastern, middle eastern groups have risen to prominence lately but in the US groups such as the klu klux klan, Arian nation the black panthers etc have been active for decades. I would continue but there is just too much ignorance for me to adress.
Josak, ignorance is not knowing history. The history, for example, of the democrat party, which the Ku Klux Klan was made up of. The democrat party has always been for holding down the minority races—it's why they are so for social welfare programs. Keep 'em pinned down. Keep 'em needing to eat out of our hands. Because we all know they can't do anything on their own. They need propping up. They need help. The democrat party is still for that kind of thinking.
But I digress.
Are Middle Easterners a threat? You bet they are. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that isn't paying attention. Are illegal aliens a threat? You bet they are. Is political correctness a threat? You bet it is.
When people don't get that, you're right. Too much ignorance.
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breakfastpop Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago
Well done. In my view, good police work requires profiling racial or otherwise. If a call comes in to a police station that a white male, 6 ft 2 in, wearing a red poncho just robbed a WAWA you don't stop black guys, 5ft 4 in. wearing a green tee-shirt. It's just common sense.